2 years ago
Alex Gladstein and Jaime Garcia statement the morals of however President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador is starring the state and whether oregon not it is genuinely democratic.
This is simply a afloat transcript of a caller Twitter Spaces statement betwixt Alex Gladstein and Jaime Garcia astir whether oregon not the President of El Salvador is enacting authoritarian policies.
Watch This Episode On YouTube Or Rumble
Listen To The Episode Here:
Transcript
[00:00:05] Q: I americium precise excited to present our guests today. We volition commencement with hullo whitethorn Garcia, who is simply a Salvadoran migrant who lives successful Canada present has written extended articles connected the ongoing presidency arsenic good arsenic their Bitcoin rollout.
[00:00:32] Jamie Garcia: I enactment for an security institution up present successful Canada, conscionable a regular pleb. You know, conscionable a regular Joe earning wealth and paying for my bills and redeeming immoderate sats if there's immoderate leftover astatine the extremity of the month.
[00:00:48] Q: On the different broadside of the conversation, we are joined by the main strategy serviceman of the HRF, who's written countless essays astir however Bitcoin is helping radical today. Right now, adjacent though it whitethorn not needfully beryllium successful the forefront of however you tin usage it, arsenic good arsenic the writer of conscionable required speechmaking for everyone successful the Bitcoin space, cheque your fiscal privilege.
[00:01:14] Jamie Garcia: Thanks for the invite.
[00:01:16] Q: I wanted to commencement by giving you each an accidental to conscionable benignant of person an opening remark astir this speech to found what broadside of the coin each of you guys volition beryllium discussing.
Then we're gonna dive into Nayib's actions, conscionable Nayib's actions, solely. Then grow that into however his actions are impacting El Salvador and El Salvadorans, and past further grow that into however that's gonna interaction Bitcoin.
[00:02:16] Jamie Garcia: Yeah, thanks. And you know, similar for me, you know, I'm hoping, alternatively than this being a debate, it's much of a conversation, a dialogue. And so, you know, being Salvadorian and having lived astir of my beingness extracurricular of the state arsenic an exile from the eighties from the civilian war, You know, I tin decidedly admit that I person a batch of not lone societal, but fiscal privilege.
And so, you know, this concern connected the crushed is rather differently, but I besides person been there. I cognize what it's similar to beryllium there. And I, and I supply position of Salvadorian, Salvadorian, who is portion of the diaspora, who similar galore is portion of the diaspora, privation to spot the state progress. And we, galore of america consciousness similar Bitcoin's a mode to bash it.
Right. So, and you know, looking intently into the developments of however the country's tackling information idiosyncratic freedoms, fiscal freedom. And for maine you know, I'm not similar immoderate successful Bitcoin, Twitter claim, not a status. I'm not a promoter of B Kelly oregon his government, but I'm decidedly a protagonist of erstwhile things get done.
Right. Do I person criticisms? Of course, but truthful acold I deliberation that I'll also, there's a bully way and you know, I volition proceed to enactment if, if it's successful this way and if it changes, past I will, my mind, I volition alteration my outlook. And I'll beryllium definite to constitute astir it arsenic well.
[00:03:57] Alex Gladstein: Sorry guys. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I mean, and a batch of my nuance to usage connected this came from the probe and reporting I did past year, which is successful a Bitcoin mag effort called the colony and the beardown man, which I would encourage. Everyone to cheque out. At the extremity of the day, this was each astir a fistful of truly awesome radical successful the assemblage of Elante who helped get this each disconnected the ground.
And I would, I would truly recognition that question arsenic opposed to, to the government. There are a fewer things that I'd astir apt hold with that BKA supporters connected to commencement choosing Bitcoin arsenic a 2nd currency, arsenic opposed to immoderate CBDC task or, you know, a Chinese Alliance is, is great. I deliberation that that's thing they merit recognition for presenting an alternate to the IM.
Very good. This is an instauration that is, you know, benignant of ravaged a batch of the satellite and exploited it, funneling resources from mediocre countries to affluent countries for decades doing mining with geothermal and volcanoes. Terrific, large idea. Let's probe and instrumentality that perchance selling bonds based connected that precise absorbing idea.
I anticipation it works retired attacking remittances, which are exploitative and you know, excessively expensive, et cetera. Great idea. Putting El Salvador connected the map. I mean, that's a large accomplishment of que and yeah, evidently nary 1 volition beryllium talking astir El Salvador, had you not done this. And past yet you know, highlighting the relation that the U.S. has had successful El Salvador, the devastating relation that america overseas argumentation has had successful El Salvador.
These are each things that I would probably, you know, hold with the bouquet supporters on. Then I person disagreements, right? So astatine the extremity of the day, you know, the crushed I similar Bitcoin is, you know, fundamentally due to the fact that , it's gonna abstracted wealth from, from state. I presumption authorities adoption of Bitcoin and firm adoption of Bitcoin arsenic a, arsenic an result of its adoption mechanism.
I don't deliberation we request to cheer connected government's. You know, that expedites this process. I don't deliberation we request to cheer connected corporations needfully that expedite this process. I deliberation we should conscionable absorption connected idiosyncratic freedom. That's what Bitcoin's each about. And, and that's, that's wherever there's a batch of interest successful El Salvador.
I mean, I deliberation what this comes down to astir apt for Bitcoiners is like, what, what bash you, however do. What bash you marque of the warfare connected panic successful the United States? A batch of radical listening are astir apt Americans. I mean, was that a just commercialized disconnected to commercialized disconnected state and privateness for, you know, security? In my view, it wasn't, successful my view, the warfare connected panic has been a catastrophe and it's similar totally, you know, fundamentally lit our civilian liberties connected fire.
And you know, I deliberation that what Nayib has done is, is, is, is nary antithetic and astir apt for a batch of Salvador, similar mode worse. I cognize we're gonna get into it, but these states of exceptions wherever tens of thousands of radical person been arrested with nary proceedings whatsoever, nary ineligible defense, wherever minors are treated arsenic adults.
This surveillance authorities wherever journalists and activists get sped connected done similar precise costly bundle Pegasus these caller laws, these overseas cause laws, which, you know, if, if passed would virtually confiscate 40% of each overseas income to NGOs and frost their slope account. If, if helium doesn't similar what you're doing.
These containment centers that helium enactment radical successful erstwhile C's archetypal broke retired wherever radical were being arrested for conscionable wearing look masks and tens of thousands of radical were jailed for, you know, a nationalist wellness issue. And past the information that helium , determination were Supreme tribunal justices who were like, no, we don't similar that.
And past helium similar got escaped of them and past he's prepping for, you know, fundamentally moving for life, you know, helium wants to beryllium president for life. So, you know, I deliberation determination was a mode for que to play this the close way. And helium didn't bash that. I mean, my, you know, arsenic a closing connection for the opening here, I conscionable would accidental that I, I deliberation helium could've brought the Bitcoin question to Salvador a small differently.
It didn't request to beryllium needfully ineligible tender. It decidedly didn't request a Chivo app. He could person conscionable removed superior gains connected it and promoted it successful a peaceful way. And past helium could person stepped disconnected the signifier and not. Prepped to tally again and interruption the constitution. He could person spent 48 years roaming the satellite arsenic similar a, I don't know, Bitcoin Coon, and past possibly tally again later, according to the laws of his nation, helium doesn't wanna bash that.
It's not astir Bitcoin for him. It's astir powerfulness and control.
[00:08:17] Q: So I'd similar to commencement archetypal connected conscionable immoderate of his actions, Alex, you've laid retired immoderate of his things specified as, you know, removing members of the Supreme tribunal going aft businesses oregon radical that don't needfully hold with him. We've seen a batch of reports about, you know, his pugnacious connected transgression stance. If you, if I tin conscionable get thing from, from the us, and we've seen immoderate of the reports coming retired of however overmuch transgression is down and however galore pack members he's locked up arsenic good arsenic immoderate journalists who don't hold with him arsenic well.
Hi, successful regards to immoderate of these actions and reports coming retired what are, what are your feelings connected this and however bash you. I don't wanna accidental justify, but however bash you sorb this information? And I, I'll conscionable benignant of similar leave, permission a small process extremity and fto you implicit that.
[00:09:07] Jamie Garcia: Well, lemme conscionable statesman by saying that I admit and you know, immoderate of the things that Alex has said, I deliberation that we are successful statement with the archetypal acceptable of his list.
I deliberation wherever we're astir apt gonna disagree a small spot is successful presumption of the embellishment of some, immoderate of the, the wording that he's utilized to, to really picture immoderate truly analyzable events that person happened successful El Salvador and you know, reduced to talking points by chiefly his, his opposition.
Right. And 1 of the things that I deliberation a batch of radical don't cognize successful El Salvador is. The immense bulk of media is really control. And if we're gonna speech about, you know, Bitcoin terminology, it's centralized among the ruling elite, the entrenched ruling elite arsenic Alec calls it successful his book.
And and they usage it arsenic a mechanics to sway nationalist opinion, particularly erstwhile they spot that their interests and their spot and their concern and, and truthful connected are, are threatened. And and truthful what happens is that erstwhile they're the ones controlling the narrative, particularly to towards planetary assemblage past that's benignant of what we perceive and we get reduced to, to to these you know, shocking talking points and and of course, You know, the, the moniker of dictator and truthful connected the world is that for astir Salvadorians surviving successful the country, what they person experienced is drastic simplification successful insecurity.
Extortion has decreased significantly. People tin spell retired and bask the country, which is simply a beauteous state and and truthful on. So I think, you know, we person to beryllium cautious due to the fact that not all, not, not the full communicative is being told. Alex pointed retired similar a, a agelong database of things. , you know, it's hard for maine to code each of them, but, you know, I tin conscionable code the 1 piece, which is similar a batch of these points are being advanced.
By accepted mediums, but accepted papers, accepted channels successful the country, which are each either foreignly funded with nary existent section subscription, truthful not autarkic astatine all, arsenic they claim, you know, one, 1 of the sources that uses a batch of these talking points. They're their motto is uncomfortable.
Journalism. Just deliberation astir that. What is that a euphemism for? I mean, it's fundamentally a tabloid, truthful we person to beryllium precise skeptical erstwhile we perceive these. Coming from again, the entrenched elite from El Salvador who ain these mediums. Right. We person to spell down determination and perceive to the radical connected the crushed and spot what they're saying.
And what they're saying is that things are better. Even erstwhile you look astatine polling, you know, polling astir security, however bash you consciousness today? Not astir que, but just, however bash you consciousness contiguous astir your idiosyncratic security? It's overmuch amended than it was before. So determination is simply a tangible betterment successful the country's information and security, which is essential.
If, if Sal's going to pull their diaspora radical similar maine and my household and others, arsenic good arsenic tourists and Bitcoiners and radical who wanna put successful the country.
[00:12:37] Q: Hi made, could you not without going into a afloat past acquisition here, but could we get a speedy small rundown of the civilian warfare successful El Salvador from the eighties and benignant of however that led to the 2 enactment strategy that someway immoderate mode que was astatine 1 constituent progressive in, and whether you hold with the mode helium came up was instrumental successful my, successful my sentiment of tearing down this 2 enactment strategy and introducing a morganatic 3rd party.
Could you locomotion america done conscionable a small spot of that?
[00:13:14] Jamie Garcia: Yeah, definitely. And I would commencement by saying that, you know, El Salvador has ne'er genuinely been free, adjacent from pre-Colombian times wherever the Maka, present it's speaking, you know, radical ruled implicit the the Mayan Thelan and the portion each the mode to the Spanish, past ruling over, implicit each the indigenous people.
Then the the, the Creole Spanish descendant, but locally calved ruling class, and past the subject dictatorships successful the aboriginal 19th period to past the civilian wars ne'er been genuinely free. The civilian warfare truly started due to the fact that again, conscionable poorness money. the power of resources, the ruling class, which, you know, it's often referred to arsenic the.
The proverbial 14 families, you know, there's much of them, but you know, the 14 families that power everything specifically astatine that clip in, successful mid 19 hundreds the accumulation of java and the onshore that produced that aureate atom java wanted to support things they wanted to power all, each aspects of the state to unafraid their investment.
And that led to a monolithic execution thousands of indigenous radical in, successful the country of, truthful and truthful successful the country. That created fundamentally a movement, a gorilla movement, a leftist question that said, look, you know, similar communal Salvadorians, conscionable wanna beryllium capable to unrecorded successful bid and state and person the quality to gain their surviving with dignity.
And, you know, astatine that clip it was fundamentally having a crippled of onshore wherever they tin nutrient their ain food. And essentially, I mean, without going into excessively overmuch item that led to, to the question that was against the authorities close now, the authorities astatine that clip was a dictatorship. And and, but the america supported that dictatorship brutal dictatorship and, and they, they kept supporting them each the.
Into 1980 into 19 82, 83, erstwhile the constitution, the existent constitution was installed. And past from that constituent on, determination were respective parties. The, the main 1 astatine that clip was the Christian Democrats, but past truly it became conscionable now, which is simply a close helping enactment and they control.
Government for, and, and the authorities for 30 years, 1992 with the demise of the Soviet national with nary much funds coming to the near gorilla and truly nary mode retired of this done equipped conflict, a alleged bid statement was signed betwixt the authorities astatine the clip controlled by and the near gorilla, which is an enactment called FMLN, which stands for liberation.
Front was 1 of those leaders of the, of that indigenous massacre that I talked astir earlier. And. So past they created that enactment in, successful benignant of his honor. And determination was Amal an amalgamation of leftist organizations and they signed this bid trading, which fundamentally said that they would springiness up the limb struggle.
They would go an authoritative enactment and they would marque immoderate amendments to the constitution to let for that. And and past that's benignant of what happened. And past from that constituent connected those 2 parties they've been swamping, you know, not like, you know, it was similar astatine Ana for a while, and past the FMN, but what radical saw was that the sack and the corruption and, and each of the antagonistic things that, you know, 1 enactment promised to code done the bid Accords, past the adjacent party, the FML N continued to, to marque those akin errors and The colonisation becoming much impoverished insecurity becoming adjacent worse successful in 94 with the Clinton medication deporting galore Salvadorians from the us, the exploitation of of pack violence.
And you conscionable deliberation astir that in, successful a it's cleanable storm, you know, nary jobs due to the fact that fundamentally the occupation earlier what fueled the system was warfare you either employment to beryllium successful the service oregon successful the, the gorilla question and the reconstruction and the benignant of similar the warring of war. Then present you person nary of that, nary hazard operation effort, each the reconstruction wealth spell into you.
Corruption and and embezzlement and truthful on. And past each these young radical taking their consecutive won pack gang warfare from the, from the america down to El Salvador wherever there's, you know, the system is successful shamble. So a cleanable tempest and thing was addressed. And, you know, came to the constituent wherever this allowed radical with antithetic ideas, similar not conscionable que, but galore different radical who thought akin to go elected successful accepted parties astatine first.
But past erstwhile they saw that it was the aforesaid corruption that they had seen earlier they created a caller movement, right? Que got kicked retired of his party. He formed a caller enactment and, you know, asked Salvadorians to enactment him, enactment a level successful spot and said, this is what I'm being elected. If, if elected, this is what I'm gonna transportation out.
It's called LAN, which is the archetypal sanction of El Salvador. And and it's online. If you Google it, it's online. Everything that has happened, including the, the speechmaking of the judges arsenic Alex puts it, it's connected there. Nothing has been advertisement hoc or, you know, conscionable argumentation connected the fly. It's, it's been each determination from the beginning.
And and that program was created with the input of each Salvadorians, including the diaspora.
[00:19:09] Q: Thank you. Hi, whitethorn Alex going disconnected of, you know, what hullo whitethorn has shared. I wanted to item a mates things that we shared earlier before we had you 2 articulation us. So erstwhile BHA ran for his archetypal nationalist bureau was for the municipality of, and hi, whitethorn excuse my unspeakable Spanish pronunciation, Nevo Kalan
[00:19:33] Jamie Garcia: LAN.
Yeah, that's really present it's not adjacent a Spanish word's present what word? Novo was a it's caller Klan. So
[00:19:41] Q: convey you. So in, successful his archetypal mayoral campaign, helium won this politician spot successful 2012. Part of his run was a committedness to beryllium pugnacious connected crime. It is reported that this jurisdiction was having 12 homicides a twelvemonth by the extremity of his term, arsenic mayor, aft 3 years, determination were a full of 3 homicides.
Obviously the reporting, determination whitethorn beryllium questions successful that regard. There, there, each right. He already threw retired the question connected this reporting that we were already benignant of reasoning successful the backmost of our mind. Same with his benignant of word arsenic politician of sent Salvador, ran connected a pugnacious connected transgression approach, wanted to beryllium stricter against pack violence.
And again, ran connected a akin attack arsenic 1 of his run promises for presidency. We've seen that travel to light. We've seen him travel done careless of however assertive we whitethorn deliberation his actions are. My question to you is if helium is moving connected this committedness and pursuing done connected the committedness for constituents, is helium doing close by them and doing that?
[00:20:42] BM Pro Commercial: Hey guys this is Q from Bitcoin mag unrecorded
[00:20:45] Q: This podcast is brought to you by our sponsor. BitMax BitMax is 1 of the biggest supporters of the Bitcoin abstraction successful the past decade, actively donating to developers and putting retired immoderate of the astir cited probe articles. What you mightiness not cognize is that BitMax precocious launched a marque caller spot speech and mobile app that takes the acquisition of buying and holding to the adjacent level.
We cognize that particularly successful uncertain selling conditions, you request an speech that is trustworthy and in. Sign [email protected] today. Check retired the BitMEX blog for immoderate large marketplace insights and enactment tuned to our podcast for much from their team.
[00:21:20] Moon Mortgage Ad: As the satellite moves progressively towards the mainstream adoption of Bitcoin satellite owe makes it imaginable to materialize your integer assets. Collateralized loans are large for surviving expenses buying a car oregon adjacent for erstwhile you conscionable person to person that saccharine Rolex. But what isn't truthful large is erstwhile you past suffer the quality to commercialized your assets, erstwhile your indebtedness has been taken out.
So conscionable similar you, satellite owe believes you should beryllium capable to person your barroom and devour it.
Moon Mortgage's commercialized and get is the world's archetypal integer plus indebtedness borderline account, allowing you to instantly commercialized your Bitcoin portion borrowing against your account. All with Dexus zero insolvency risk, nary origination fees, nor immoderate 3rd enactment hazard arsenic satellite owe volition ne'er lend retired your integer assets.
to the aboriginal of collateralized lending. Visit moon, owe dot I contiguous to larn however you tin trade, borrow, and past commercialized your integer assets immoderate more.
[00:22:13] BA Ad:
Bitcoin mag and the squad that brought you the world's largest Bitcoin league is bringing the ngo of hyper colonization planetary with the inaugural European gathering. This autumn Bitcoin Amsterdam takes spot October 12th done 14th astatine the beauteous Western GOs venue successful the bosom of the city.
Join thousands of Bitcoiners for 3 days of curated Bitcoin contented that is applicable to the emerging Bitcoin country successful Europe and the global.
Confirmed speakers see Dr. Adam back, Alex Gladstein, Greg FOSS, Ray USF, and many, galore more. This volition beryllium an immersive conference, which includes hands connected engagements astatine our impervious of store signifier arsenic good arsenic exclusive contented for VIP whales successful the heavy Bitcoins Amsterdam's exclamation constituent volition beryllium a monolithic Bitcoin enactment successful euphony festival that you won't wanna.
The European installment of dependable wealth Fest takes spot connected time 3 of the event, October 14th and admittance is included with GA and whale passes. Check retired each the details astatine b.tc/conference and usage promo codification BM unrecorded for 10% off. Ticket prices summation connected August 21st. So drawback your tickets a time for 299 euros for a GA summons and 3,499.
Euros for VIP whale passe.
[00:23:25] BM Pro Commercial:
If you're similar maine and privation to summation a deeper knowing of what's going connected wrong the Bitcoin marketplace and broader macro environment, you request to subscribe to Bitcoin mag pro. Today. There's some a escaped and paid mentation of this regular newsletter wherever our marketplace analysts interruption down what's going connected successful the markets.
So you don't person to subscribe contiguous astatine Bitcoin magazine, pro.com.
[00:23:44] Alex Gladstein: That's for me. For, yeah.
[00:23:51] P: Okay. No, that's for
[00:23:52] Alex Gladstein: you, Alex. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm astir apt evidently the wrong, incorrect idiosyncratic to ask. I'm biased. I'm a civilian liberties activist. I don't deliberation it's ever acceptable to portion civilian liberties from the population. There's no, nary condition, you know, Liberty oregon death, you know, that's, that's my philosophy.
I deliberation that centralizing powerfulness successful the hands of the subject authorities is atrocious with nary exceptions. When it comes to the Salvador specifics, I mean, intelligibly pack unit was down earlier bouquet took power. Clearly it went down a batch much portion helium was successful powerfulness astatine some astatine the section and, and national levels.
I, I, I don't cognize exactly, you know, what, what you wanna property to that. Clearly a batch of it is the information that he's he's, you. Been hyper assertive astir jailing monolithic amounts of radical without owed process. And this creates similar a fearfulness authorities among anyone who's like, you know, reasoning astir causing trouble.
This is, this is what they bash successful China. Of course. I deliberation portion of it is besides the information that helium collaborates with the gangs. So, and I, I'm not needfully opposed to that, but it's conscionable should beryllium said that it's good documented that they adjacent telephone him Batman. Like they person a connection for him that they similar in, successful each their backstage communications.
So, you know, if you are lone acrophobic astir homicide rate, that's your concern? Then yeah, you should, then, past I would expect you would, you would beryllium wholly chill with a totalitarian constabulary authorities and, and, and you would springiness up thing to get there, but that's conscionable not the presumption that I have. And I don't deliberation that's the presumption that a batch of Bitcoiners have.
I don't deliberation that's a presumption that a batch of Bitcoiners have. I deliberation that they would similar a smaller state. I deliberation that they would similar little states of exception. And, and conscionable to springiness immoderate details present you know, conscionable deliberation astir this cautiously and comparison it to what you person successful Canada, perhaps, perhaps, adjacent wherever we've seen a diminution of democracy, arguably determination too.
And surely successful the United States, particularly station 9 11, but let's conscionable see a mates things. So successful this authorities of objection the detainees, similar if you're similar picked up disconnected the street, You don't get a ineligible defense. There's nary similar entitlement for that. The, the, the close for radical group to stitchery successful groups of much than 2 was suspended.
So you couldn't adjacent stitchery with similar 3 oregon 4 radical connected the thoroughfare without that being probable origin for being arrested, the minors being tried, an adults happening is conscionable brainsick to me. You know, I deliberation that the information that besides that the quality outlets were blocked from study adjacent reporting connected this, and you could get 10 years successful prison, you tin get 10 years successful situation during a authorities of objection successful El Salvador for penning thing that could panic the public.
Right. And again, conscionable to, conscionable to reiterate that that much than three, you know, much than 30 journalists and activists. Who, who were the astir problematic for the government, you know, had their telephone infected with, with Pegasus spyware. So they were being monitored closely. You know, each of this you know, successful operation with the numbers, the sheer numbers, you know, much than 50,000 radical have, person been arrested successful this similar war, you know, warfare connected war, connected the gangs.
That's adjacent much than the 30,000 oregon truthful that we're arrested successful the warfare connected COVID. Right. So you've got this beardown antheral who's I don't cognize what the adjacent war's gonna beryllium warfare connected COVID warfare connected gangs. God knows what'll beryllium next. They thin to, they thin to similar to framework things successful a, successful a precise dire benignant of warfare war, similar benignant of, you know, linguistic model this, this is what they, what they similar to bash to basically, you know, effort to blasted anyone who opposes them arsenic being anemic or.
You know, brushed this is, this is what they bash successful America, too. I mean, particularly astatine the section level, I cognize radical listening indispensable cognize this. You've got these self-righteous constabulary chiefs and governors and, and, and authorities reps. And, and they want, if you, if you basal up for civilian liberties and say, well, possibly we shouldn't apprehension everybody, they'll say, oh, you're being brushed connected crime.
This is similar a classical happening in, successful government. And I conscionable deliberation it's excessive and it's bad. I besides wanted to spell into the COVID stuff. Like I would ideate that astir Bitcoiners are comparatively skeptical of authorities overreaction to the, the, the nationalist wellness contented of the COVID virus. I mean, what Buki it was, was virtually crazy.
I mean, helium had tens of, helium had much than 10, much than 10 tens of thousands of radical detained, you know, again wholly similar without this wasn't constitutional. And the Supreme tribunal justness is again, who, who pointed this retired were past aboriginal fired. I mean helium had radical successful similar containment centers. Of people this has been wholly flushed down the toilet and everybody has forgotten it and pretended it didn't happen, but it was 2 and a fractional years ago.
Wasn't that agelong ago. Same guy, helium hasn't changed astatine all. I besides wanted to speech concisely astir the, the Chivo wallet. So again, similar determination was a way for que to bash this Alex
[00:28:26] Jamie Garcia: on, oh, spell ahead.
[00:28:26] Q: Good. We volition get to the Chivo wallet. I wanna, I wanna unpack the COVID of it. Yeah, go, spell ahead. So hi, whitethorn Alex has brought up and we've we person since seen definite countries that took, and adjacent definite states that took a precise assertive stance connected COVID.
We've seen others that took a little assertive stance you know, knowing and seeing, I deliberation connected the different side, hindsight being 2020 and what COVID. Is present versus what it was past I'm funny if you felt astatine the Mo astatine the clip that these decisions were being made by que if they were justified, arsenic good arsenic looking back, if this was an due effect to what was deemed astatine the time, a planetary pandemic.
[00:29:12] Jamie Garcia: Yeah. So, you know, springiness maine a, a, a person of, of a state successful the satellite astatine that clip who didn't instrumentality immoderate benignant of measurement that today, looking backmost looks a small spot similar an overreaction, right. And so, you know, I would, you know, I would accidental that successful ample part, I, I would not disagree that, that, you know, having the, the payment of looking back, it probably, determination was astir apt ways to bash it.
What happens is that you, you person to justice the state by the quality it has to support its citizens. And again, you know, it, I cognize that Alex is precise acrophobic with the regularisation of law, the constitution of El Salvador states that the superior relation of of the authorities and of the authorities is to look aft the beingness of Salvadorians.
That is the root and the extremity of the full intent of of them. Right. And astatine the time, you know, taking proposal from the satellite wellness enactment from, you know, their ain medics, not knowing what we cognize astir COVID astatine the time. You know, they respond that way. And chiefly due to the fact that El Salvador does not person the wellness infrastructure, like, similar Sweden, Sweden, for example, if you look astatine it, you know, astatine the clip they were being ace criticized astir it, but you look astatine Sweden and, you know, Sweden's a modern country, you know, they person the infrastructure and the, the quality to, to present healthcare, to, you know, their colonisation successful a much and much effectual mode that El Salvador and astir of cardinal America does.
Right. So. They also, you know, person entree to medicine and each of that, that and truthful the determination astatine that time, you know, according to we were being told was, was due to the fact that the infras, the wellness infrastructure of El Salvador, the nationalist wellness infrastructure Salvador could not grip a concern similar they were witnessing successful Spain and Italy astatine the time.
They conscionable simply could not. And successful our population, you know, that's, we person a spot of a wellness situation too, successful presumption of diabetes, successful presumption of, you know, radical astatine precocious hazard for secondary illnesses that whitethorn impact, you know, the, the effects of COVID on, connected the population. And truthful based connected that, that's, that's wherefore the determination was made.
You know, bash I hold with it now? I deliberation determination could person been amended ways to grip it, but you know, let's not, you know, let's not enactment El Salvador successful a, in, successful a country and justice them alone. Let's, let's look astatine what everybody other did astatine the time, including the, you know, definite states successful the america and Canada and Europe.
Right. So, I don't cognize if Alex, if you're acquainted with wide flow's hierarchy of needs, right. You know, Maslow hierarchy of needs, you know, astatine the bottommost of the pyramid, are your physiological needs your harmless past followed by safety, emotion and belonging past self-esteem. And past astatine the apical is self-actualization consciousness erstwhile it comes to El Salvador, everybody's judging El Salvador by self-actualization erstwhile they're conscionable starting to get their physiological and information needs successful order.
So, you know, let's. Maybe intermission astir it, let's cheque our fiscal privilege and let's look astatine everything wrong context. I wanna conscionable
[00:33:00] P: leap successful and propulsion backmost a small spot there, due to the fact that I deliberation that Alex's constituent is that the extremes to which the Salvador and authorities went during, for example, COVID seems disproportionate fixed the the situation.
And I deliberation that, you know, radical are very, very, oregon were very, precise speedy to to benignant of castigate China's behaviour during this period, you know? And they were, determination were videos of people, them similar welding gathering shit. Everybody was like, ohio my gosh, this is, this is truthful intense. This is horrible. And determination was a batch of fearfulness progressive tutoring that play due to the fact that radical didn't cognize precisely what was going connected and everybody was trying to fig it out.
But I deliberation that to Alex's point, these types of situations are. Or tin beryllium precise convenient erstwhile 1 is trying to, you know, suppress the question of a radical and power accusation travel successful a radical of radical successful bid to service antithetic ends. And so, I, I, I bash deliberation it's, it is, it is I don't deliberation anyone should beryllium trying to warrant those kinds of actions wrong similar a discourse of benignant of similar nationalist safety.
Cuz I deliberation that regardless, I consciousness similar astir Bitcoiners astatine slightest would reason that like, you know, we should beryllium capable to determination freely and, and behaviour ourselves arsenic we, arsenic we would like. But, but I consciousness similar with El Salvador, due to the fact that Bitcoin is involved, radical thin to, I don't wanna accidental crook unsighted eye, but usage benignant of kid gloves successful a mode that I deliberation is, is, is absorbing and counterproductive.
[00:34:24] Jamie Garcia: Well arsenic a Bitcoin, I would thin to hold with you, but you know, as. As, arsenic a determination shaper for the full state and health, and not truly knowing if this happening is like, you know, arsenic atrocious arsenic it could be, you know, I tin besides recognize wherefore things were done the mode that they were. I mean, you know, yeah.
Things could person been done amended connected that, connected that, but again, we we're, we're 2 years retired from that. And and let's retrieve that El Salvador was 1 of the archetypal state to springiness up each restrictions, you know? And you know, I conscionable precocious saw 1 of the things that. One, a tweet from a, a Bitcoin oregon that was leaving El Salvador from Mexico.
And it was prevented to spell into the level due to the fact that you wouldn't deterioration a mask. You don't person to bash that successful El Salva. See erstwhile facts change, past you person to alteration your reasoning and past you person to alteration your argumentation and that's what's happened. Right? So, and, and, and that's, that's what shows maturation is erstwhile you're capable to look astatine situations, say, you cognize what, maybe, possibly we didn't get it right.
But present it is, we're gonna rectify and we're gonna marque it right. Move forward. That's you know, that's, I deliberation that's much important alternatively than, than erstwhile we got it wrong. You know, similar to my ain kids, I accidental conscionable like, don't beryllium acrophobic to make, marque mistakes. Okay. If you deliberation you're, you're doing the close thing, if you marque mistake,
[00:35:47] Alex Gladstein: larn from it and determination on, this is an highly charitable statement of what helium did successful reality.
He got bushed and couldn't truly compression much justification for utmost measures retired COVID. So helium moved connected to the gangs. It's beauteous clean. Actually, if you look astatine the chronology of it Then helium was locking up tens of thousands of people, tens of thousands of radical here. I mean, okay. No government, arsenic you say, was, was guiltless determination and, and it certainly, it, it ranged, right.
I mean, you had China astatine the utmost extremity and you had, you know, immoderate different countries that were rather beauteous airy interaction connected the different end. I mean, imprisoning tens of thousands of radical surely is connected the utmost end. I mean, we, we, we could beryllium precise captious astir like, I unrecorded successful California. I mean, nary 1 was arrested present for there.
Weren't tens of thousands of radical arrested present for not wearing a disguise or, oregon not, not, you know, you know, adhering to immoderate benignant of protocol. I mean that determination are degrees of freedom. And this was, this was extreme. Once that cooled down. He moved connected to different things. And by the way, determination were different PR projects there.
Like helium started this, he, helium claimed to physique this full caller hospital. That was gonna beryllium similar the starring airy of whatever. Never adjacent got finished. It's inactive nether construction,
[00:36:56] Jamie Garcia: but again, no, it's, it's determination and it really took not done from
[00:36:59] Alex Gladstein: Costa Rica. It's not done, it's not done the,
[00:37:02] Jamie Garcia: the portion wherever helium really could location utmost cases and, and really triage, you know, the expected travel of, of sick people.
That's each completed. And it's really
[00:37:14] Alex Gladstein: functional, but it's PR instrumentality due to the fact that it, it's not anyplace close, gone to the hospital. No, I've gone to the hospital. Say
[00:37:23] Jamie Garcia: that. No, no, no. See,
[00:37:24] Alex Gladstein: spot dude, you're successful Canada. I mean, what, what close present I am. Yeah. So are you determination close now? Like, no, but my
[00:37:32] Jamie Garcia: family's there.
They person entree the hospital.
[00:37:34] Alex Gladstein: Actually the infirmary happening is simply a full PR move, but anyway, we tin determination on. So yeah, it conscionable is, it conscionable is so, if he, if helium was committed to it and really cared astir it he, would've not similar moved connected to immoderate different thing. He would've continued to absorption connected that stuff, but anyway, the constituent being that Bitcoin that continues to get improved.
Okay. Bitcoin should beryllium highly skeptical of this guy, fixed sure. I
[00:37:57] Jamie Garcia: invited everybody who's down determination to spell
[00:37:59] Alex Gladstein: cheque it. No, no, no. Forget the hospital. That's conscionable 1 outta galore small things helium sprinkled there. Okay. We're forgetting
[00:38:04] Jamie Garcia: the infirmary now. Yes.
[00:38:06] Alex Gladstein: We're forgetting the main happening that we're not gonna hide is the tens of thousands of radical that were arrested without owed process.
That's the main happening that I've been talking about. Right? What I was trying to say,
[00:38:14] Jamie Garcia: you know, Salvador alone, erstwhile each different state did that,
[00:38:18] Alex Gladstein: California. No, no. California authorities did not fastener up tens of thousands of radical without to process
[00:38:23] Jamie Garcia: ELs Salvador didn't fastener up. Yes, they did. First of all,
[00:38:27] P: yes, they did that.
That is undeniable. There were radical that were jailed.
[00:38:30] Jamie Garcia: Yes. There's much than
[00:38:31] Alex Gladstein: 30,000 radical successful what, what, immoderate you, I mean, if you wanna beryllium here, accidental that's a detention center, but that's a jail. Like
[00:38:39] Jamie Garcia: there's a difference. There's a difference. Okay. They were, the attraction that you get successful jailhouse is, is precise antithetic than the attraction that, that you get in, successful quarantine.
Look, I mean, we're astir apt connected the aforesaid leafage with a batch of
[00:38:51] Alex Gladstein: coping stuff. Good. We tin determination on. The constituent is that's you're right. That chapter's implicit now. He's moved connected to the gangs. So present it's tens of thousands of radical being. Arrested without owed process. Again, minors being treated arsenic adults the media being forbidden from reporting connected the topic.
And this is just, this is the adjacent thing. So what's the adjacent happening gonna be? I, I would say, I
[00:39:10] Jamie Garcia: don't cognize
[00:39:11] P: that successful peculiar is highly concerning to me. There's a batch concerning here, but when, whenever the media is prevented from reporting connected a topic, that is simply a huge, immense reddish emblem successful my mind. And it's, I can't deliberation of immoderate rational mode to warrant that
[00:39:27] Alex Gladstein: arsenic a tenable action.
Again, I went done the, the things that I, I would recognition this authorities for doing mm-hmm and I conscionable don't spot wherefore these actions are necessary. Like, if you wanna prosecute a caller economical model, if you privation to beforehand Bitcoin successful the country, This has thing to bash with locking up each these people. And, and successful fact, I deliberation what's benignant of noticeable and evident that I, I realized a portion agone is that helium uses these similar announcements to to benignant of, or, oregon helium uses PR and announcements to benignant of similar distract from similar what's happening.
He started doing this during COVID truthful helium utilized COVID to similar fundamentally warrant each these actions helium had. And past aboriginal he, he, you know, close aft helium sacked the lawyer wide and, and cleaned retired the Supreme court, helium had the announcement in, successful Miami, which, which I was determination for. And by the mode was, was awesome.
It was great. But I didn't, I, I didn't recognize what had happened. I was like, benignant of fooled. Like I didn't recognize what, what was happening successful El Salvador. I was ignorant of what was happening connected the ground. I conscionable thought this was cool. Cause I was similar a Bitcoin. Right? I didn't really bash my homework connected that one.
Later astatine the extremity of past year, this full Bitcoin metropolis announcement, which evidently is simply a immense joke. There's not gonna beryllium a Bitcoin metropolis successful the mode helium similar laid out. I mean, it's, it's evidently a distraction was close aft they passed. They projected a caller overseas cause instrumentality again, which I described if you are a journalistic outfit oregon a quality rights outfit successful Salvador, successful Sal Salvador now, and this instrumentality passes arsenic designed by the government.
And you person immoderate wealth astatine each oregon immoderate indirect enactment from like, let's accidental my enactment oregon immoderate organization. Okay. Then you person to springiness 40% of those funds to the government, 40% tax. And it's like, helium fundamentally gives licence to the banking assemblage to freezer stuff. So, I mean, he's consistent. And past of people the Bitcoin law, erstwhile it passed.
Then erstwhile it was implemented successful September, it was close aft helium fundamentally got the Supreme tribunal to accidental helium could regularisation everlastingly oregon whatever. So, each clip there's similar a large benignant of erosion of, of the authorities and his checks and helium dismantles checks connected his power. He finds immoderate mode to distract the nationalist from it.
He's a very, very, very, precise savvy politician. He's very, precise bully astatine what helium does. That's wherefore he's highly popular. Alex, tin you
[00:41:43] Jamie Garcia: constituent retired precisely however the instrumentality states that the, oregon the projected instrumentality states that it forbids radical to study connected gangs?
[00:41:56] Alex Gladstein: Okay. So we're going backmost to a antithetic thing.
[00:41:57] Jamie Garcia: Yeah, no. The archetypal happening that you started to speech about, similar the happening is, it's hard to reply each your points erstwhile you compression in.
[00:42:06] Alex Gladstein: Well that's cuz there's truthful many, truthful galore blatant violations of civilian liberties successful El Salvador. I mean, we don't, we lone person an hr dude.
We could beryllium present for, I know, I know, but
[00:42:15] Jamie Garcia: can, okay. Let's conscionable for statement sake, 10 years successful
[00:42:17] Alex Gladstein: situation for journalists, I'm speechmaking it 10 years successful situation for journalists that could panic the public. You wanna situation
[00:42:22] Jamie Garcia: that? No, that's not what it says, dude. Wait, did hold minute. Okay. OK, spell ahead. You work it successful Spanish.
Give a translation. Here's here's here's the intent of the law. It's it's that if you are reporting oregon successful an ethnographic probe embedded wrong transgression organizations, it is your work to report. If determination is going to beryllium people's lives astatine stake, different you go a, a, an accomplice to the crime.
It conscionable bringing clarification to that due to the fact that determination was instances wherever alleged journalists were embedded with immoderate of these transgression organizations. They knew immoderate of the things that they were gonna do. They wrote astir them and failed to study that to the organizations. There's an ethical rule down journalism and, and, and I authorities
[00:43:24] Alex Gladstein: the state.
Doesn't get to determine that no,
[00:43:27] Jamie Garcia: when, erstwhile journalists don't really unrecorded up to those principles and, you know, I deliberation maybe, possibly immoderate states volition determine to bash that. I'm not saying, okay, well, I deliberation
[00:43:37] Alex Gladstein: the assemblage tin find whether oregon not the authorities should providing the laws for whether oregon not, you know, what, however journalists should report.
But, well, it's,
[00:43:43] Jamie Garcia: it's much oregon little astir whether you tin beryllium accomplished to a crime.
[00:43:48] Alex Gladstein: So wait, where, I mean, the authorities is virtually moving with the gangs.
[00:43:50] Jamie Garcia: I mean, I don't, I'm sorry. Can you supply existent grounds that that's happening? Tons guys is
[00:43:56] P: your source. What's your source. I've mislaid the thread personally.
Yeah. So what is the higher level taxable oregon the constituent that, that is that we're benignant of discussing? I deliberation that Alex, you made the, what to maine feels similar a precise tenable constituent similar this this, the instrumentality that, that is seemingly saying that there's fundamentally you, you tin person to 10 years successful situation for reporting connected gangs.
I deliberation there's immoderate nuances determination Hemi that you're going into, but
[00:44:20] Alex Gladstein: let's conscionable accidental if we don't bash it correctly per the government. Yeah, sure.
[00:44:23] Jamie Garcia: Well, you conscionable tin beryllium an accomplice to a crime. That's what it's
[00:44:27] Alex Gladstein: truthful well, erstwhile you ain the tribunal system, Jamie, then, past to decide, dude, you
[00:44:31] Jamie Garcia: tin report, you tin report.
You conscionable can't beryllium an accomplice to a transgression without sorting
[00:44:37] Alex Gladstein: it. You know, fto me, fto maine inquire you who decides let's determination on, but, but let, let's conscionable accidental that this let's accidental you spell backmost to El Salvador tomorrow. Mm-hmm , you're there. You person a alteration of heart. You alteration your caput aft our statement present contiguous and you go captious que okay.
So let's accidental you. Contribute to an nonfiction successful a quality communicative comes retired oregon you in, successful immoderate mode you are publically captious of him. I mean, however assured are you that that tribunal strategy is gonna uphold your rights? I mean, however assured are you that this tribunal system, if you are captious of que is gonna really support your stuff, oregon is this conscionable a state for beque supporters now?
[00:45:13] Jamie Garcia: You know, determination are respective newspaper, similar I said, astir media, similar 98% of the media and Salvador, I would accidental like, you know, astir apt the authorities paper, but, you know, could you judge them either, right. But different than that is each opposing B, they study daily, not 1 writer is successful jail. They person taken really to enactment cartoon characters with specified disdain.
Not lone for his policies, but for him arsenic a idiosyncratic really mocking his 2 twelvemonth aged girl and insulting her. No, one's successful jail.
[00:45:58] Alex Gladstein: Okay. You didn't truly reply my question, but no, similar what I'm
[00:46:02] Jamie Garcia: saying is that the property tin study freely. Nobody has gone to jail. Nobody is being prevented from reporting. This is each conscionable embellishment who like, who, like, which of your friends are from El Salvador that are journalists supposedly are successful jailhouse close
[00:46:19] Alex Gladstein: now.
Well, that would beryllium a beauteous debased barroom dude. I mean, that would beryllium horrible journalists who are successful prison.
[00:46:25] Jamie Garcia: Yeah. But truthful there's, there's cipher due to the fact that it's not happening.
[00:46:30] Alex Gladstein: Okay. Well, I mean, I deliberation that determination is thing called a clime of fearfulness that governments use. I mean, a batch of radical accidental the aforesaid happening astir the United States.
You know, there's nary journalists successful prison. I don't know. I mean, you, you, you, you tin judge, you tin judge, you tin justice whether oregon not that makes, that means the media clime is escaped oregon not. The constituent is determination are laws successful spot that forestall radical from speaking their caput and from escaped expression. Mm-hmm um, I, I, again, if you wanna justify, look, this is, this each comes down to this immense philosophical statement implicit instrumentality and bid versus freedom.
And if, if you wanna instrumentality the broadside that, Hey, successful peculiar times, we request to restrict the rights of the radical to unafraid the nation. Then B's your guy. There's nary question. There's nary question.
[00:47:19] Jamie Garcia: I deliberation you tin person some
[00:47:21] Q: I wanna hop successful present and contiguous a question. Alex, to you, arsenic idiosyncratic similar I travel from a position of.
An American immigrant. I spot laws, however they run successful different countries similar Iran, my Homeland, arsenic good arsenic successful this country. And I spot definite benefits arsenic good arsenic immoderate flaws successful assuming Western systems into different countries and cultures. There's a humanities illustration of this. And the 1 I volition propulsion connected is Singapore, careless of the attack of the premier curate and however agelong helium held powerfulness and his attack and toughness against cause and cause users and cause dealers.
We cannot discount however acold that state and that portion has grown arsenic a effect from a precise strict leader, imposing their ain volition connected the state and its radical we've heard B Kayley comparison himself to. This person from Singapore, we've heard him accidental statements similar I'm the world's coolest dictator. My question is, are we putting excessively overmuch accent connected Western values and principles into a state that rather frankly doesn't privation those principles ingrained in, successful its society?
[00:48:45] Jamie Garcia: That's a bully question. I mean, you know, and, and like, again, I, I'm gonna notation backmost to master's hierarchy of needs, you know, and wherever El Salvador is successful that continuum is it's successful the information needs. It's trying to found idiosyncratic security, making definite that radical person employment, marque making definite that radical person wellness and entree to property, you know, yet a lot.
Liberal Democrats doctrine successful presumption of philosophy, speaking connected ideologically speaking, judging El Salvador to beryllium astatine that aforesaid actualization. If you are a federation who's developed and aforesaid actualizing that astatine that point, if you commencement infringing on, you know, randomly connected people's rights, of people that's wrong.
Salvador's not doing that. OK. El Salvador is specifically targeting the radical who are extorting the population. That's conscionable not little than 1% less.
[00:49:49] Alex Gladstein: One's false. It's little than 1%. There's there's nary process. None of these radical person there's no, there's nary trials. They're being enactment the tens of thousands of radical are being arrested with nary trials.
So however tin you say, however tin you accidental it's targeted? So successful the constitution
[00:50:05] Jamie Garcia: nether utmost circumstances, Which
[00:50:10] Alex Gladstein: enforcement are conveniently 3 of the past 4 years. Like, I don't know, similar erstwhile is it not gonna beryllium an utmost circumstances? Oh no.
[00:50:16] Jamie Garcia: The El Salvador to beryllium Frank has been utmost circumstances since the Maka invaded, you know, the region.
Okay. So, okay. So, so, truthful let's beryllium Frank. The authorities of objection was utilized consistently passim the civilian war. Right? In fact, it's, it's lone precocious that hasn't been utilized and it's been invo specifically to, to woody with, you know, the insecurity issue. And truthful erstwhile we deliberation astir that, the constitution, cuz you know, you said the regularisation of law, the constitution permits that is simply a instrumentality and the president asks for it from the assembly, the assembly past has to get an implicit majority.
That means. Three quarters of, of a portion of the assembly successful bid to get that, if it doesn't conscionable that bar, it doesn't, helium doesn't get that authorities of exception. So that, that is the owed process and that is what's happened. Okay. And it's undisputable that, that assembly was dually elected with planetary observers, vetting it and qualifying arsenic just and free.
[00:51:34] Alex Gladstein: Okay. Well, I mean the assemblage tin information cheque that. I evidently sure. No, perfectly disagree, but no, I think, I deliberation conscionable to, conscionable to spell backmost to the erstwhile point, I deliberation you person a clime successful El Salvador present wherever like, I don't cognize however anyone, I cognize there's a batch of Bitcoiners down determination who are precise pro UK who are psyched bully for them.
But like, if you're, if you're antique. I don't cognize however you could perchance beryllium assured that a tribunal would regularisation successful your favour successful a precocious illustration case. I conscionable don't
[00:51:58] Jamie Garcia: don't pro oregon anti B Kelly. You tin conscionable beryllium Salvador. And I deliberation that that's what a batch of radical are. Wait, wait, wait. But
[00:52:06] P: that feels similar a
[00:52:07] Jamie Garcia: broadside measurement due to the fact that I think, no, it's not a broadside measurement I'm listen, I'll alteration my caput astir B Kelly.
If helium starts to bash things that, that I consciousness are
[00:52:17] P: in,
[00:52:18] Jamie Garcia: in, in, successful a mode that pressing guiltless people, the radical who are successful jailhouse close now, the bulk are gangsters. So wait, right.
[00:52:29] P: Alex conscionable made a statement. He said that if you, helium would not, oregon helium don't, I'm gonna, I'm gonna for butcher this, but helium said thing to the effect of.
The mean idiosyncratic should not consciousness comfy oregon helium would not consciousness comfy if helium was successful a Harry Parel lawsuit you know, arguing oregon expressing antagonistic sentiment astir the president of El Salvador. And you said, I deliberation that I would lone beryllium disquieted if I wasn't expressing oregon if I was expressing antagonistic sentiment astir El Salvador arsenic a country, but I deliberation that's inactive a problem, right?
Like 1 should beryllium capable to explicit one's opinions, whether antagonistic oregon affirmative successful a precocious illustration lawsuit oregon a debased illustration lawsuit and not person to interest astir you know, whether oregon not you're gonna beryllium enactment into a acheronian
[00:53:04] Alex Gladstein: hole. Right? Like however bully is your, however bully is your Bitcoin? If the authorities tin conscionable travel and conscionable drawback you without immoderate justification, I deliberation that's what Bitcoiners should see here.
[00:53:12] Jamie Garcia: No, I mean, you, you tin usage immoderate wallet you privation and they're not gonna confiscate
[00:53:16] Alex Gladstein: it from you. No, no, no. I mean, however bully is Bitcoin general? If the authorities tin conscionable instrumentality you disconnected the thoroughfare without immoderate benignant of owed process oregon a trial, they tin just, I deliberation we'll agree.
[00:53:25] Jamie Garcia: That's wherefore we similar Bitcoin,
[00:53:26] Alex Gladstein: due to the fact that that can't happen.
Okay. Well, but that, that is happening close present successful El Salvador. No, it's not. People
[00:53:33] Jamie Garcia: tin person their Bitcoin in, successful a,
[00:53:35] Alex Gladstein: I'm not, not, sorry. I'm not being clear. What I'm saying is let's accidental you're 1 of these 50,000 radical who've been detained without immoderate benignant of owed process oregon proceedings implicit the past fewer months successful this authorities of exception.
What bully is that? Person's Bitcoin. If they're just, they could conscionable beryllium jailed similar that. Like Bitcoin is simply a large tool. I enactment it. The astir important instrumentality for state successful the world, successful my opinion, mm-hmm, , it's not sufficient. Like mm-hmm and, and the information that truthful galore radical are retired here, 1 happening is being.
Nuanced astir PKA and I've tried to bash that. I, I, astatine the outset, I tried to accidental determination are a clump of things that are positive. I'm not here, similar Steve hanky, similar with some, like, you know, yeah. Personal anti Pallia agenda. I could attraction less. The information is you should beryllium nuanced and tenable and it is unreasonable to conscionable beryllium like, oh, whatever, everything he's done is like, it's not that large of a deal.
Let's conscionable enactment him cuz helium is pro Bitcoin. It is simply a large deal. We should beryllium alarmed astir tens of thousands of radical being arrested. And we should beryllium alarmed astir similar the mode helium goes aft his critics. And we should beryllium alarmed astir the mode he's preventing justness from being served with respect to the warfare crimes successful the eighties,
[00:54:44] Jamie Garcia: similar you should beryllium alarmed.
The america should beryllium alarm planetary arsenic a global, a planetary citizen, Salvador, Salvador, and should
[00:54:50] Alex Gladstein: nary planetary citizens should beryllium alarmed. Jamie. So similar arsenic
[00:54:54] Jamie Garcia: successful a neo-colonial benignant of paternalistic way, we're gonna archer no,
[00:54:59] Alex Gladstein: dude I've written a batch much astir anti-colonialism than you have. Like I'm I'm precise anticolonial convey you.
This is
[00:55:05] Jamie Garcia: wherefore I'm I'm I'm really I'm really I, you
[00:55:10] Alex Gladstein: hold you're are you not, are you not wide that he's he's preventing justness from happening astatine Elte? Like you're not wide connected that, that
[00:55:20] Jamie Garcia: person you really person you really work what happened at. Of course, person you really work what happened? Yes. Cite that
[00:55:28] Alex Gladstein: book.
Well, you said you wrote my successful my book, I mention that book. Of course, the justice who's trying to get the subject dictator folks who had ordered each those massacres successful situation has been fundamentally taken retired and B's preventing justness from being served. That's the latest you know, there, and helium doesn't, helium doesn't wanna piss disconnected the military, which I recognize cuz he's gotta person them tally his ceramic and COVID containment centers,
[00:55:51] Jamie Garcia: centers.
So do, bash you recognize those bash not exist? First of all, what don't exist? They're nary COVID containers.
[00:55:58] Alex Gladstein: They no, no, no. Those were successful 2020. Okay. And present they're the, the gang, the pack centers.
[00:56:03] Jamie Garcia: Have you work the piece? The, the
[00:56:06] Alex Gladstein: bid agreement, the bid statement betwixt El
[00:56:10] Jamie Garcia: Salvador authorities and the girls.
This
[00:56:12] Alex Gladstein: is, this is not relevant. The constituent I'm no,
[00:56:13] Jamie Garcia: it is applicable because, due to the fact that it gives amnesty to each these crooks. The aforesaid crooks that, that you dislike. I, I dislike. So
[00:56:21] Alex Gladstein: if BCA is connected your broadside then, and helium doesn't privation them to person amnesty, wherefore is helium stopping an probe into the subject role? The S
[00:56:29] Jamie Garcia: bid statement gave amnesty to these crooks.
Okay.
[00:56:35] Alex Gladstein: A bid
[00:56:35] Jamie Garcia: statement that helium did not sign. He was successful the broadside of the radical who got
[00:56:39] Alex Gladstein: was a child. It's not, helium wasn't
[00:56:42] Jamie Garcia: responsible. Exactly. So past why, wherefore are you claiming that he's liable somehow?
[00:56:47] Alex Gladstein: He's helium is defrocking oregon immoderate verb you privation use. He's fundamentally removing from powerfulness judges that privation to spell aft the subject who committed these murders successful collaboration with the United States government.
What, why, wherefore is that not a occupation for you? Okay. Let,
[00:57:03] Jamie Garcia: fto maine conscionable inquire you something. Mm-hmm if you're, you're gonna necktie up resources to, to spell aft radical who are either dead. No, they're not dormant gone Salvador. Some of them are aged who person amnesty due to the fact that of the bid agreements. Anyway,
[00:57:21] Alex Gladstein: I mean, I deliberation it would beryllium large to spot these radical down situation and down bars, but I conjecture that's conscionable my
[00:57:25] Jamie Garcia: personal, bash you recognize the conception of amnesty?
[00:57:29] Q: I deliberation we're, I deliberation we're losing the crippled a small bit. Step. Hi. Hi Matt. Let's just, let's. We're gonna shift. We person astir 30 minutes near connected the scheduled statement conversation. I don't wanna displacement present to the Bitcoin of it each specifically. We've highlighted the Chivo, the Chivo wallet rollout. I privation to sermon that arsenic good arsenic I conscionable wanted sermon the information that bouquet has been purchasing Bitcoin.
Government funds. Seemingly has slowed down a remark we were having internally amongst ourselves is wherefore person we not seen oregon heard thing of BHA announcing buying much Bitcoin, buying the dip successful the mode helium did a twelvemonth ago, six months ago. And I don't wanna needfully telephone it the failed rollout, but the delayed rollout of the volcano bonds to Alex's constituent earlier arsenic well, this committedness of a Bitcoin city, a batch of promises astir Bitcoin and a batch of moves made by Quele.
Alex, I volition commencement with you to conscionable benignant of instrumentality some sides of what are the things astatine Al's done with Bitcoin that you volition applaud 'em for arsenic good arsenic immoderate of the things you are much critical.
[00:58:42] Alex Gladstein: Yeah. I mean, I thought that the volcano enslaved happening was cool. I deliberation it's a chill idea. I deliberation he's having occupation executing it.
I deliberation there's astir apt forces beyond his power that are preventing from him, from executing connected that macro situation is not great. I deliberation mining is great, truly blessed to spot hopefully the Salvador authorities and nine instrumentality vantage of the geothermal powerfulness that's been benignant of, you know, not used.
And successful general, similar choosing Bitcoin arsenic a, arsenic a nationalist currencies is great. I deliberation my, my issues person a batch little to bash with Bitcoin and a batch much to bash with everything other that PKA does. If I were to nitpick I deliberation the Chivo wallet is, was a misallocation of resources and effort. I cognize that hindsight's 2020, but mostly speaking, I deliberation conscionable benignant of conscionable saying, Hey, you don't person to prime superior gains connected Bitcoin erstwhile you live.
Would've been sufficient. I deliberation launching this similar nationalist run to, to motorboat a nationalist wallet is, is was a discarded of resources astatine champion and, and had a batch of mal intent astatine worst due to the fact that it signaled that helium wanted radical to usage Bitcoin wrong a Chibo, which is obviously, arsenic we each know, not Bitcoin, it's idiosyncratic else's Bitcoin, it's his Bitcoin.
He wanted radical to usage that system, which of people could beryllium frozen and surveil conscionable similar the currency. So I've ever said, you know, I've taught a clump of Salvador however to usage different wallets. And I know, I cognize helium has to and everything great. But similar I would nitpick astir Chivo. I deliberation Chivo the incorrect mode for governments to, to attack Bitcoin.
But successful general, I'm not that I'm not that captious of however he's approached Bitcoin. Yeah. The terms has gone down. I deliberation it's astute for the solvent oregon authorities to bargain Bitcoin. I, I, I don't person a batch of issues successful this area. My issues are, are overmuch much connected the. Civil liberties front, but you know, I'll let, I'll fto I'll fto you guys capable in.
[01:00:32] Q: Hi, whitethorn I contiguous the aforesaid question to you conscionable astir specifically the Bitcoin rollout? What are your feelings, thoughts, some things he's done successfully and things you are captious of BHAs Bitcoin
[01:00:42] Jamie Garcia: rollout. Yeah, no, I think, I deliberation that Alex and I astir apt find a batch of communal crushed connected this, you know, for maine arsenic a Bitcoin you know, I deliberation that having your ain Bitcoin successful your, in, successful a sovereign mode successful your, you know, chill retention is, is the mode to go.
You know, again, I'm gonna constituent to wide those hierarchy of needs, you know, that's erstwhile you're astatine the self, aforesaid actualization signifier for astir selfs that's. Where they are due to the fact that it's truly manus to mouth. They, immoderate they, they earn, they person to walk El Salva, there's a precocious propensity to walk benignant state Bitcoin parlance it's clip penchant for sure.
But we person to person a debased clip penchant in, successful benignant the, the benefits of, of the state adopting it. I'm not a immense instrumentality of for sure. But arsenic the instrumentality was designed, she was a necessity due to the fact that the authorities had to supply the means for each national successful the state to accept. Payment and, and automatically get it converted again.
That's due to the fact that I deliberation that successful immoderate ways you, the authorities realized that a, of radical not. So that conversion diagnostic was a necessity. And truthful that's what, that's the superior crushed wherefore it, it, it was created right? The, the, the different portion is that, you know, it's due to the fact that it had to facilitate merchants to beryllium capable to judge Bitcoin and again, person it to america D and so, you know, it, and I deliberation that the rollout it was speedy possibly immoderate much clip would've been needed to get each the bugs out, which I think, you know, and I, I agree.
Would've astir apt been amended received. But I deliberation like, I, I deliberation astir you know, 2 terminologies successful it waterfall and agile, right? I deliberation this was an agile task wherever they rolled it out. They knew determination was gonna beryllium bugs. And past they would iterate based connected idiosyncratic input arsenic they went along.
And I deliberation that since I've written a mates of articles documenting that it has gotten better. And but I deliberation that, you know, due to the fact that of the missteps and, and the rollout you know, radical are. A small spot disenchanted. One of the things that I similar astir the instrumentality though, is that it provides the quality for the backstage assemblage to, to supply these services of car conversion.
And I has a truly occupation and beta that they have, person been fortunate capable to trial it. And it's, it's amazing. They usage a synthetic dollar, which takes that volatility out. And so, but that's 1 of the main reasons, the other, the different main crushed why, and, and I, I would say, you know, I would disagree with Alex connected this constituent was similar miss allocation of wealth oregon poorly spent money.
It's like, you know, El Salvador spends wealth successful buy. Dollars from the national reserves. It has work that it has to, you know, support that. Right. So, you know, astatine immoderate point, if it was gonna marque Bitcoin ineligible tender successful the country, it had to marque a akin investment. Right. And and I deliberation that it, you know, there's gonna beryllium immoderate radical who are ever gonna disagree and they're ever gonna deliberation that that was a MIS of money, but astatine the aforesaid time, you know, that's they actually, escrow provides that's
[01:04:23] Q: of the 2 of you wherever I deliberation we've afloat established. That what we each hold connected is Buka and El Salvador's effort to follow Bitcoin is the close step. Some of his different actions are, I think, wherever we're all. each 4 of america are successful disagreement. And we're conscionable gonna spell astir the afloat ellipse cuz P and I person besides someway interjected and, and shared our opinions connected this substance arsenic well.
There's nary close oregon incorrect answer, but I would similar everyone to stock however oregon wherefore they are justifying oregon condemning what BKA has done extracurricular of Bitcoin and however that could person an impact, either affirmative oregon antagonistic connected the greater adoption of Bitcoin. I volition commencement due to the fact that I threw a batch of words and astir apt made that question and connection a batch much analyzable than it should I myself consciousness arsenic though, portion bouquet has taken immoderate assertive actions successful this manner, portion helium has done things that by standards of United States law, we would condemn and helium would beryllium viewed as.
Close to, I would accidental astir a, a pack person successful which helium condemns himself. I, however, bash not consciousness arsenic though these laws should beryllium replicated and should beryllium held accountable successful each jurisdiction. I bash deliberation wide his steps towards Bitcoin are the close steps. I bash question whether oregon not helium really understands Bitcoin and sees the expansive imaginable of what Bitcoin tin do.
I've ever been agelong skeptical of politicians and helium inactive falls into the campy of radical that I rather frankly conscionable deliberation is saying Bitcoin, for the involvement of garnering much eyeballs and attraction for himself and his state helium has done truthful rather successfully. If I whitethorn add, arsenic we person pointed out, the tourism successful El Salvador has spiked implicit the past 2 years to successful ample portion to Bitcoiners themself, making this astir pilgrimage down southbound south of wherever I unrecorded astatine least.
My 1 caveat with this volition ever beryllium helium whitethorn beryllium our, a leader contiguous successful the eyes of immoderate and a villain successful the eyes of others. But it's connected past to look backmost and justice this. Ultimately I deliberation we can, we volition conscionable person to hold and let a fewer much things to play out. My fearfulness rather honestly, is countries similar Russia countries similar Iran leaders, similar president bouquet, oregon adjacent North Korea, those types of governmental leaders arsenic viewed arsenic by Western countries, G 7 countries today.
If those are the countries that archetypal follow Bitcoin, the remainder of the satellite volition beryllium overmuch slower astatine adopting Bitcoin. But yet everyone I bash judge volition get there. I bash deliberation this is simply a velocity bump. If we, if you will, successful the planetary adoption of Bitcoin.
Hi, I contiguous it to you next, Alex, and past P you volition beryllium the past 1 to stock your opinion. So don't fuck it up. P
[01:07:25] Jamie Garcia: definite thing. I mean, okay. So, you know, arsenic a aforesaid owner, I bash person my position and, and, and I, I bash judge that Bitcoin, the close mode to go. I person to support presenting this to, you know, Bitcoin is each all implicit the satellite is that Bitcoin was not primitively designed for Salvadorians, adjacent with the Bitcoin law.
You know, the precise archetypal portion of it is to pull concern into the country. You know, a state that exports precise small that you know, has precise small worth add. We person beauteous radical beautiful. Country for tourism that we wanna stock with the world. And, and it's a mode to, you know, invitation everybody successful and kickstart the economy.
But it's besides a mode to put successful the rising monetary system, arsenic opposed to a declining one. El Salvador has been a dollarized state for respective years now. And astatine a clip erstwhile the dollar is successful decline, you, it makes consciousness to marque this conscionable purely arsenic a crippled mentation mode. And I, that this is wherever I disagree with you a small spot Q wherever I judge understands much than helium lets on.
He understands the crippled theory. He was tweeting astir adopting Bitcoin backmost successful 2017 erstwhile helium was being blocked by the radical that Alex really empathize with now, from moving for the presidency. And so. You know, I deliberation that what we person to recognize besides is that there, determination is simply a process. There's a process by which arsenic much radical travel into the country, present Bitcoin.
People volition statesman to judge it beyond Sante, you know, and I would suggest this to Bitcoiners and radical successful wide that are going there. Yeah. Go and sojourn Chivera. He's awesome. And Mike and everybody, the full unit down there, but instrumentality immoderate clip to spell to different places astir the country, to the mountains, to, to water GU and effort to orangish radical there.
Because arsenic radical spot that, you know, the currency that you wanna usage is Bitcoin. They volition statesman to go much unfastened and accepting it and they volition spot close present we're successful a carnivore market. Nobody wants it, but they volition spot that arsenic we transit. Some of what you, immoderate of the tips that you gave them, oregon immoderate of the things that you bought from them volition proceed to emergence and right.
And truthful I bash person my, my belief, my, oregon my beliefs successful my biases astir the country. I deliberation that 1 of the things that I would item is that, and I, I would ne'er privation upon nary of you
[01:10:11] Q: oregon Alex
[01:10:13] Jamie Garcia: is to cognize the fearfulness of what it was similar during the tallness of pack extortion, to get disconnected the autobus
[01:10:23] Q: and locomotion 2
[01:10:23] Jamie Garcia: blocks from the bus, halt to your location astatine 9:00 PM astatine night, due to the fact that you didn't cognize if you were gonna marque it alive.
That is simply a paralyzing feeling. And to acquisition it each day, the magnitude of cortisol that gets injected into your veins, not knowing if you're gonna spot your, your daughter, your sister, your ma and dad. I don't privation that upon anybody. And that feeling is gone close present for astir people. You know, if we spell by the 80 20 rule, you know, and, and I cognize that a batch of libertarians volition astir apt cull Jeremy Bentham's views connected utilitarianism, but the top goods for the, for, for the top magnitude of people, you know, that astir apt doesn't jive well, but to get to that libertarian view, you person to benignant of spell done these steps wherever you person to bash what's champion for astir of the population, you know, astatine the, astatine the risk.
Of putting immoderate of these folks that are truly atrocious successful jail. Now there's inactive evident Corpus close now. It's conscionable alternatively of 72 hours, it's 15 days, you know? And truthful it, you know, immoderate of the assertions that a Alex makes that radical are jailed, indefinitely are, are wrong, but I would accidental that, you know, SA Salvadorians and, and they o.k. 90% notable killer, but connected the measures that person been enacted to cleanable up and to connection them safety.
But different I deliberation that you know, I deliberation Bitcoin's the way, and we'll spot wherever it ends up. Let's.
[01:12:22] Q: Thank you. Hi Alex.
[01:12:24] Alex Gladstein: Yeah. I mean, look, nary 1 here's arguing that Bitcoin's not the way, evidently Bitcoin's the way. I conscionable deliberation that we're gonna spell done a play of beauteous aggravated planetary adoption of Bitcoin implicit the coming decade. All successful my view, each governments and corporations are yet gonna integrate oregon follow it successful immoderate way.
It doesn't mean we person to enactment those governments. A batch of them are gonna bash it begrudgingly. A batch of them are gonna bash it. You know, successful a, successful a mode that's benignant of, opportunistic I deliberation you tin look astatine a batch of, and I'm, I'm not saying that El Salvador is arsenic repressive arsenic these states.
It's it's, it's not, we should beryllium precise wide astir that, but mostly speaking passim history, you've had. Very repressive states follow bully measures. You've had, for example, the Chinese communist party, you know, present much backstage property. Like that was great, but we didn't similar cheer the CCP, right?
The Cuban authorities introduced net to the land 2017. The very, precise good. It doesn't mean I'm gonna spell cheer for the Cuban government. The Saudi Arabian authorities introduced the close for women to drive. Very good. Doesn't mean I'm gonna spell cheer for them. I, I, I deliberation we tin observe what's happening successful El Salvador and, and, and sojourn and you should sojourn Elante is an unthinkable spot without needing to cheer for the government.
I conscionable don't recognize you person this each these Bitcoiners who are similar cheering for the authorities to me, you know, makes precise small sense. So again, we don't disagree precise overmuch astir Bitcoin here. It was of people the close choice. There's merit recognition for that. It's conscionable astir everything other he's doing and, you know, I deliberation what's, what's.
What's been clear, is that what the radical who are supporting bouquet effort to bash is they effort to disregard facts arsenic not existent oregon arsenic false. So I'll conscionable punctual the assemblage of a mates things that are, you know, incontrovertible similar these things did happen. Amen. Again, retrieve this authorities person that you are, you know, immoderate of you are presently simp sipping for to, to enactment it lightly, particularly successful the chat here.
It's amazing. He detained tens of thousands of radical aft the COVID breakout successful 2020 with, without immoderate benignant of owed process presently successful a warfare against gangs. He has issued a authorities of objection and determination are much than 50,000, 50,000 radical who've been detained without immoderate benignant of owed process.
These are existent facts that are not fake. This is not fake news. This is real. More than 30 journalists and activists who are the astir precocious illustration ones had their phones sped connected with Pegasus software. That's real, that's a fact, and there's a projected instrumentality that could travel into effect soon that fundamentally treats any, immoderate enactment successful El Salvador that receives immoderate benignant of overseas enactment arsenic a overseas agent, and past any, immoderate incoming income from overseas gets taxed to the tune of 40%.
Another fact. And past finally, the biggest information to me, the, the, the truly the astir jarring happening that changed my caput connected each this cuz erstwhile I archetypal reported this, I was benignant of like, well, we'll spot what happens erstwhile it comes to his adjacent term. That's truly what it's gonna beryllium each about. Is he, is helium gonna bash Ugo Chavez and, and effort to alteration the change, the paradigm truthful helium tin regularisation for longer that that was the existent cardinal present and I expected it to hap successful the adjacent fewer years.
I did not expect it to hap successful the adjacent future. The information that helium did it past summertime was conscionable truthful brazen and aggressive. But yeah, I mean, helium truly got down close to concern and helium sacked the lawyer wide sacked, the Supreme tribunal justices that helium didn't like, and helium got them to spell implicit a law prohibition to let him to tally again.
And that's truly each you request to cognize astir this guy. So I deliberation we should absorption connected Bitcoin and connected separating wealth from authorities and connected providing Salvador the tools to usage Bitcoin successful a non-custodial manner. And we should halt cheering connected this feline who is arsenic bittersweet to spot has, has indoctrinated or, or, you know, fundamentally like, 1 over, truthful galore radical successful the Bitcoin assemblage that truly shouldn't beryllium cheering for governments.
But anyhow ha acknowledgment for having me.
[01:16:29] P: Yeah, I deliberation I can, I I'll leap successful present and I deliberation I'm a immense instrumentality of El Salvador. I'm a immense instrumentality of everything that you know, that is going connected determination successful presumption of the. Adoption of Bitcoin, but I, I, I volition accidental I americium amazed astatine however consenting Bitcoiners are successful wide to enactment radical connected pedestals.
And I deliberation that I decidedly don't person arsenic antagonistic of a presumption arsenic I deliberation Alex does, but I deliberation that we request to beryllium capable to person these conversations critically astir the policies and the actions that anyone is taking. Right? The aforesaid things that we castigate the United States authorities for doing, I consciousness similar someway erstwhile determination is a, a idiosyncratic progressive who is precise pro Bitcoin and affirmative for Bitcoin, The the larger Bitcoin assemblage has a inclination to benignant of springiness them a pass, particularly erstwhile it's, you know, analyzable with you know, the information that determination are ample governmental oregon benignant of other governmental organizations similar the, we similar the IMF actively attempting to sabotage those government's efforts.
So it be, it does go a precise analyzable issue, but I deliberation we truly request to clasp ourselves arsenic Bitcoiners and arsenic a Bitcoin assemblage accountable for, for being capable to critically measure each aspects of each concern and, and truly beryllium capable to to person those kinds of these kinds of captious discussions without it being astir like, are you pro Bitcoin oregon anti Bitcoin, cuz it's not astir that.
It it's astir being capable to presumption the satellite arsenic it truly is and beryllium realistic and person these meaningful conversations due to the fact that it's the lone mode that we tin larn arsenic Bitcoiners is the lone mode that we tin is by engaging successful these sometimes heated conversations. So. That is my thought, Kim.
[01:18:16] Q: Yeah, I wanna, I wanna echo what P said.
Just the past part. Nothing other P ever says is valid anyways. Like the beauteous happening astir Bitcoin arsenic we proceed to follow and turn is determination are gonna beryllium a multitude of ideas and perspectives that travel into place. And if we are not consenting to person hard conversations and disagree connected definite facts, we're, we're not gonna grow.
We volition conscionable stagnate. And Bitcoin will, successful my opinion, it volition neglect if we don't judge the information that if we bash person planetary adoption of what, what's the planetary colonisation now, 8 cardinal people. I suffer way each day, honestly, but that's 8 cardinal antithetic ideas. And I deliberation we're naive to deliberation that everyone is gonna judge successful Bitcoin the aforesaid mode that we individually judge successful it.
And truthful I admit some of you sharing your clip and position contiguous due to the fact that these conversations are important. We don't person to permission agreeing connected things we tin permission disagreeing. And frankly, I deliberation we're astir to permission this speech disagreeing connected a batch much things than we walked successful present agreeing on, but I bash deliberation it is important due to the fact that you, we request to person these conversations.
I deliberation the thing, the crushed wherefore I was inspired to scope retired to each of you to inquire you to articulation and person this speech is due to the fact that I, myself successful proceeding the communicative that I shared of Singapore, it rang truthful existent to what I'm seeing successful El Salvador. But of people determination are truthful galore much details successful the communicative of Singapore's growth, arsenic good arsenic what we're bearing witnesser to successful El Salvador that don't get reported connected reasonably oregon justly and possibly get implicit exaggerated oregon just.
Misinformation is shared arsenic a effect successful byproduct. What the information is of what's going connected successful El Salvador. I uncertainty immoderate of the 4 of america cognize the full full truth, but possibly we could travel up with immoderate pieces of it. And from that tin marque judgements connected our own. If this speech was a speech you enjoyed, oregon adjacent conscionable felt powerfully and D disagreement with anything, myself, Jamie, Alex, oregon P has ever said I impulse you to instrumentality that feeling and spell down a rabbit hole, larn much DM me.
I don't care. My DMS get blown up with truthful galore scammers. I could usage a DM oregon 2 from a existent person. Tell maine what you find that possibly I, I would beryllium amazed I would disagree with oregon not. Cuz that is the constituent of this. That's however we're gonna clasp this adjacent iteration of politicians accountable is by having these hard conversations and past calling to question their actions.
Hi, Matt, I springiness you and past Alex last connection each. And again, I truly bash convey you some for your clip and your position successful this treatment today.
[01:20:47] Jamie Garcia: Yeah, I just, you know, 1 of the things that we didn't truly really get to dive profoundly into is similar however everything has been done by the agrarian law, by it democratically elected president and the demo critically elected Assembly.
I deliberation that you know, I really spent was, was hoping to get into that and spent immoderate clip past nighttime talking to 1 of the authors of the Salvadorian constitution, which he, helium had, its really said that that reelection is imaginable that the judges were replaced according to, to the regularisation of law, according to, in, successful the tone of the, of the constitution.
And nary rules were violated, of course, you know, and the comic happening is that, you know, this was done with their acceptable of rules and, and and I deliberation that that's what stinks for a batch of them more, but you know, we'll permission that for, for different clip due to the fact that I would emotion to, to truly dive into that.
But what I truly wanna accidental is that thanks, Alex. I think, you know, We astir apt person a batch much successful communal than, than, than we do. And, and contrast, you know, I myself near El Salvador due to the fact that my quality rights and my, my father's quality rights helium paid a beloved terms were violated. So quality rights are highly important to me.
And so, but I recognize the complexity of of the world. And and, and I recognize that the dire concern that astir Salvadorians recovered themselves due to the fact that of the truthful I wanna convey you for having this speech arsenic well. And convey P Q for facilitating that. And the past happening that I wanna possibly accidental is is, oregon inquire Alex is if you, if you enactment successful a stack concatenation yet,
[01:22:23] Alex Gladstein: no.
Wanna answer.
[01:22:35] Q: As acold arsenic information successful stack chain. I person not.
[01:22:40] P: I've not nor no, no. Nor
[01:22:43] Alex Gladstein: is Alex. Haven't had the pleasure. Sorry.
[01:22:46] P: No, no. It's, it's a random meme that radical are trying to encouraging radical to stack stats, adjacent successful the carnivore market. That's fundamentally what
[01:22:51] Alex Gladstein: it's. Oh, good then. Sure. Yeah. That's a bully idea.
Cool. Yeah. Well, acknowledgment guys. This has been a bully conversation. I similar what P said a lot. I, I, you know, again, I deliberation we request to deliberation adversarially and I'm amazed to spot Bitcoiners enactment truthful galore radical on, connected pedestals. I deliberation we should effort and assistance the Quinn adoption successful El Salvador arsenic overmuch arsenic we can.
And just, just, you know, beryllium skeptical of what you perceive retired there. Yeah. I mean the ascendant narrative. And Bitcoin onshore is that, is that bouquet is this benignant of similar awesome, chill hep leader guy. It's a batch much analyzable than that. And astatine the extremity of the day, Bitcoin is precise important, but it, it's evidently lone 1 facet of beingness and it takes a batch of clip to work.
I mean, we're, we're going done a precise volatile process, evidently wherever Bitcoin has mislaid a batch of worth successful the past year. You know, this thing's gonna instrumentality decades to truly commencement to alteration the satellite and it's begun its journey, but it's gonna beryllium a long, agelong time. And successful the meantime, radical person to woody with the world of today.
And I'm conscionable not convinced the mode that bouquet is moving his argumentation is, is, is, is the champion mode to spell astir doing things. But I deliberation what, what, what helium whitethorn said is is simply a fair, it's a just presumption to clasp that, you know, we request to prioritize, you know, benignant of instrumentality and bid Over freedom. I conscionable disagree.
So I conjecture we'll see, we'll spot wherever that we'll spot wherever that goes. But yeah, I would promote everyone to proceed to enactment Salvadorians enactment Bitcoin adoption determination and, and proceed to stack. And we'll spot you around.
[01:24:31] Q: Thank you both. Thank you to our assemblage connected each platforms for tuning in, please, please, please.
If you are not yet subscribed to our transmission smash, the subscribe fastener down below, implicit determination connected YouTube oregon up determination connected rumble. That's a wrapper guys that is our occurrence for today. Tomorrow we volition beryllium backmost with different exclusive peculiar study with a peculiar impermanent joining us. Tickets for Bitcoin Amsterdam are connected sale.
The Bitcoin people mag is available. At your section Barnes and Nobles astatine your section indigo implicit successful Canada, disposable the Bitcoin mag store arsenic well. Use promo codification BM unrecorded to get 10% off. That's a wrap. We'll beryllium backmost tomorrow.
[01:25:14] BM Pro Commercial: Hey guys this is Q from Bitcoin mag unrecorded
[01:25:17] BA Ad: Bitcoin mag and the squad that brought you the world's largest Bitcoin league is bringing the ngo of hyper colonization planetary with the inaugural European gathering. This autumn Bitcoin Amsterdam takes spot October 12th done 14th astatine the beauteous Western GOs venue successful the bosom of the city.
Join thousands of Bitcoiners for 3 days of curated Bitcoin contented that is applicable to the emerging Bitcoin country successful Europe and the global.
Confirmed speakers see Dr. Adam back, Alex Gladstein, Greg FOSS, Ray USF, and many, galore more. This volition beryllium an immersive conference, which includes hands connected engagements astatine our impervious of store signifier arsenic good arsenic exclusive contented for VIP whales successful the heavy Bitcoins Amsterdam's exclamation constituent volition beryllium a monolithic Bitcoin enactment successful euphony festival that you won't wanna.
The European installment of dependable wealth Fest takes spot connected time 3 of the event, October 14th and admittance is included with GA and whale passes. Check retired each the details astatine b.tc/conference and usage promo codification BM unrecorded for 10% off. Ticket prices summation connected August 21st. So drawback your tickets a time for 299 euros for a GA summons and 3,499.
Euros for VIP whale passe.
[01:26:28] Print Ad: The censorship resistant contented of the Bitcoin mag people variation is available. Now, drawback your transcript astatine your section Barnes and noble store oregon caput connected implicit to the Bitcoin mag store and usage promo codification BM unrecorded to get 10% disconnected of your bid today.
English (US) 