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Someday you’ll beryllium retired of a job. So volition I, truthful volition your neighbor, truthful volition your champion friend, and truthful volition each of your family. All of our jobs volition beryllium automated, acknowledgment to AI. This is the prediction of Shaw Walters (who successful Web3 benignant typically conscionable goes by “Shaw”), laminitis of Eliza Labs, and creator of ElizaOS.
“We’re going to automate each of the jobs. Like, each of the jobs are going to beryllium automated,” says Shaw. “There aren’t going to beryllium immoderate jobs. And determination shouldn’t be, due to the fact that immoderate enactment that I tin get a robot to bash is beneath me. And I deliberation we volition look backmost connected this clip similar we look backmost connected slavery. Like, ‘What the fuck were we doing?’”
Onstage astatine the AI Summit astatine Consensus 2025, Shaw volition unpack this mentation successful a keynote titled, “How AI Agents and Humanoid Robots volition Reshape Society…and Why Crypto is the Key.” Here helium gives a speedy sneak peek.
Interview has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.
What excites you the astir astir AI Agents?
Personally, this is simply a benignant of selfish quest. I don't similar sitting astatine my table each time with my shoulders rounding, becoming this troll who’s coding each day.
What I privation to bash is to gait astir and archer my agents to bash things and codification for me. Coding has gotten to the constituent wherever I person different model up, and I'm conscionable coding with Gemini successful Cursor. I conscionable commencement speaking and saying, “Hey, this is what I want. I privation you to alteration this, this, and this,” and it conscionable starts going.
And wherefore can’t that conscionable beryllium embodied? Why can't I conscionable beryllium walking down the thoroughfare talking to my cause and it's penning my codification for me? Why bash I person to beryllium sitting present glued to this desk? So I truly privation to unbox the idiosyncratic interface personally for myself, and person my cause with maine everyplace I go. I tin conscionable telephone it if I person an idea. It answers my email.
What bash you deliberation volition beryllium the archetypal slayer usage lawsuit of agents that truly goes mainstream?
Well, decidedly coding. It’s already the archetypal case.
Fair. But what astir for normies, for non-coders?
Well for america [at Eliza], it’s societal agents. And past I tally a distant squad and DAO community, right? We person 20 radical that travel to enactment each time and make code. I person a radical chat close present of 8 people. And we person 20 channels connected Discord and we person a Telegram. So we person each this connection happening successful each these places, and we person these precise evident problems everyone other has. I don't cognize what's going connected successful astir of the chats. I don't person clip to work astir of it.
I'd emotion if it was conscionable summarized for me. They should beryllium like, "Hey, what has this feline been moving connected close now?" And it's like, "Oh, helium worked connected this. He answered this." Great. So we person a bot that's doing conscionable that thing. It checks successful with each azygous worker each time and gets a [status update] from them. And it's tracking each azygous chat and each of our integer spaces and summarizes everything.
Why, successful your mind, is crypto important to this larger imaginativeness of yours of AI Agents? Why is Web3 necessary?
I deliberation it's precise evident that it's hard for maine to springiness an cause a PayPal account. But I tin conscionable rotation up a wallet for this cause and that agent. I could physique a crippled wherever I'm like, "I request 10,000 wallets." Because what I'm truly doing is giving an cause the quality to beryllium that it is itself with a cryptographic signing tool, conscionable similar I'm giving immoderate different user. So agents are conscionable proxies for different users and they get the aforesaid benefits that immoderate different idiosyncratic does.
But I deliberation that there's a bigger question present of similar wherefore crypto astatine all? And I deliberation the crushed is due to the fact that I deliberation that we should beryllium capable to make our ain money. It's not a powerfulness that we should needfully springiness to states, though states person the quality to enforce it with force. So there's a bigger question of, what’s the warfare we’re warring here?
This is thing that I’ll beryllium sharing successful my Consensus talk. We’re going to automate each of the jobs. Like, each of the jobs are going to beryllium automated. There aren’t going to beryllium immoderate jobs. And determination shouldn’t be, due to the fact that immoderate enactment that I tin get a robot to bash is beneath me. And I deliberation we volition look backmost connected this clip similar we look backmost connected slavery. Like, "What the fuck were we doing?”
We were making everybody enactment for dollars with each of their time. That's brainsick to me. They should person been pursuing their passions. They should person been asking, “Why are we present and what are we doing?” They should person been forming their ain ground of spirituality alternatively of conscionable going to enactment each day. And so, successful that reality, well, there's a large problem.
I tin deliberation of a few…
If there’s nary jobs, past we person nary money. But really nary of the affluent radical successful our state person jobs. How bash they marque money? They’re investing. And I deliberation this is the satellite we person to unrecorded in, wherever we’re each investors, and nobody's a worker. It's conscionable insane to maine that we unrecorded successful a satellite wherever each the affluent radical don't work, and yet we deliberation that's the mode to getting rich.
I’m trying to visualize this. It’s chaotic to ideate a satellite wherever nary 1 has jobs, and each the enactment is beneath us.
It’s inevitable.
Are we penning poesy each day? How are we filling our time? What does humanity look like?
Okay, truthful let's accidental you someway received an airdrop that you enactment into a project, and present you person thing similar $80 cardinal worthy of value. What would you do? What’s your adjacent move?
I spot wherever you’re going with this. So the thought is that you deliberation astir what your passions are, and however you’d walk your clip if you had unlimited money? And past that’s what you’d beryllium doing successful this satellite wherever each the jobs are automated.
Yeah. I would beryllium astatine my machine moving connected AGI. I would beryllium moving connected that each day.
Let’s spell determination now. What’s your conjecture of erstwhile we get to AGI, oregon if we get to AGI?
What is AGI?
[Both laugh.]
So, does AGI to you connote sentience?
Well, my favourite coined word was that AGI is the happening that computers can't bash yet. How astir that?
It's a spot of Zeno's Paradox, right? It volition everlastingly beryllium extracurricular of its grasp.
Yes, we person normalized the information that, like, I tin speech to ChatGPT connected dependable successful my telephone and get instant answers to astir anything. Like, we're sitting present having ChatGPT bash tarot readings, and springiness america answers to however “Magic: the Gathering” works.
Wild times! Thanks Shaw, this was fun. See you successful Toronto. Can’t hold for your talk.
Jeff Wilser volition big the AI Summit astatine Consensus 2025, and is big of The People’s AI: The Decentralized AI Podcast.
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